Jarret Ruminski lives in Canada now, but he is an Ohio native who has long studied the American South. In the fall of 2017, he published his book The Limits of Loyalty: Ordinary People in Civil War Mississippi. Colin and Jarret talk about the Civil War, but also the perils of the history field and what it's like to be a "recovering academic." Also, what would a talk among historians-who-love-music be without a discussion of Drive-By Truckers? It's a conversation about history, surviving the Trump era, and life after grad school. Aspiring Ph.Ds, you have been warned!